Is it better economically to run a car into the ground before buying a new one? Data driven answer
Is it better to drive your car into the ground before buying a new one? You might think that’s an odd question, but there’s some logic to it. We all know cars are expensive, and many people feel they have to buy a new one as soon as theirs starts to show its age. But is that really the best way to go? Let’s take a closer look at the numbers.
It might be more economical to run your car into the ground before buying a new one. Sure, you’ll have to deal with a few mechanical problems along the way, but at least you won’t have to worry about depreciation costs. Plus, you’ll get the added bonus of being able to tell your friends and family that you’re driving a “classic.”
The advice I’ve always had (and followed) is that you should always EITHER:
- Buy a new car – keep it for 3 years – then trade it for a new one….OR…
- Buy a new car and keep it until it goes to the car crusher.
Let’s see how economics work out with an actual example…
WE’RE GOING TO NEED SOME DATA:
This graph must depend a bit on make and model – but it’s probably a good average:
Looking at that graph you’re going to pay about…
- $2,100 on maintenance over the first 5 years
- $5,150 in the next 5
- $8,800 in the next 5
- $10,300 in the last 5.
For depreciation:
(15% seems kinda optimistic…but depending on the kind of car you buy – it might be OK)
When you look at your car payments – if you finance over 5 years then for a cheap $25,000 new car (A Camry or an Acura or something similar)…you’ll have somewhere around a $500 monthly loan payment over 60 months – so you’re actually paying $30,000 for the car – the rest being interest on the loan.
- So in the first 5 years you spend $30,000 on payments and $2,100 on maintenance for a total of $32,100.
- If you sell after 5 years: with depreciation – you get $10,000 back from selling the car – so it cost you $22,100 to have a car for 5 years…or $4,420 per year.
- After 10 years, you spent $32,100 so far plus another $5,150 in maintenance for a total of $38,250.
- If you sell after 10 years: you’ll get about $4,500 back so $33,750 to have a car for 10 years…or $3,375 per year.
- After 15 years, you spend $38,250 so far plus another $8,800 in maintenance for a total of $47,050.
- If you sell after 15 years: you’ll maybe get $2,000 – so $45,050 to have a car for 15 years…or $3,000 per year.
- After 20 years, you spent $47,050 so far – plus $10,300 in maintenance (eek!) for a total of $57,350.
- Nobody will buy your PoS car now – but on the plus side, the breaker’s yard will probably tow it for free – so $57,350 to have a car for 20 years…for a total of $2,867 per year.
So the cost to own a car per year (on average) is the least if you keep it until it goes to the car crusher.
This is where that original claim comes from – and it’s true.
WHAT IF YOU SELL AFTER JUST THREE YEARS?
- Car payments are now $750/month over 36 months (MUCH higher than financing over 5 years!) – so you pay $27,000 in total (not much less than the $30,000 you’d have paid over 5 years!). But depreciation means that the car is now worth $15,000 and maintenance is zero. So you spent $12,000 over 3 years – which is $4,000 per year.
…which is LESS per year than keeping the car for 5 years.
PARTIAL CONCLUSION:
These numbers are VERY approximate – maybe you buy a more expensive car and it depreciates faster – maybe you find a crazy reliable car and nurse it along to 25 years. Maybe engine and transmission failure happen simultaneously at year 15 and it goes to the crusher early.
But if we look at my scenario…which is based on industry norms if you swap your car out every 5 years, it’s going to cost you $4420 per year and if you keep it for 20 years, it’s costing you $2,867 per year. So on strict economic terms you should always run your car into the ground.
However, the difference between $4000/year (swap your car every 3 years) and $2867/year is $1133/year or $94 per month.
You could not pay me $94/month to spend most of my life driving crapped out wrecks compared to driving an almost new car all the time.
Just the time I’d spend fritzing around trying to get my 20 year old car to start on a cold, damp morning isn’t worth $94/month.
IMHO – THIS WHOLE EXERCISE IS KINDA SILLY:
People who can afford to buy a new car are not going to worry too much about $94/month to keep replacing it. It’s not that big of a deal.
People who live close to paycheck-to-paycheck probably can’t (and certainly SHOULDN’T) buy a new car to begin with – and in that case, buying a car that’s already done most of it’s depreciation is a much smarter tactic.
If you can’t afford a new car – buy a 5 year old car – for less than half price. Your maintenance costs will be twice what a new car costs – but that’s peanuts compared to a full car payment.
FINAL THOUGHT: THE STEVE JOBS APPROACH:
Steve Jobs famously replaced his car every six months – with an identical car each time. He actually had a standing order with the car dealership – so he didn’t even have to think about it – they’d just drive to his house or his office with a new car and drive away the “old” one.
For years he drove a long run of black Porsche 911’s but did switch to a long number of black Mercedes SL55s.
But this is madness! A car loses 10% of it’s value during the first 20 feet as you back it out of the parking space at the dealership!
But the Steve Jobs story is weirder:
In California, you don’t need a proper license plate for 180 days – you can drive on the temporary dealership plates, so by swapping out his cars every 6 months, he never had to go to the DMV to pick up his replacement plate. Looking at how much his time was worth – that wasn’t such a dumb idea. Jobs was earning upwards of $100 million per year – that’s $50,000 an hour. Going to the DMV for an hour cost him MUCH more than replacing the car!
This seems like a stupid story – but there is an underlying message here. While we look at those ever increasing maintenance costs over years of car ownership – each one comes with a penalty in time and stress.
In later years, the car probably breaks down – or won’t start – and you’d have to get it to a mechanic and sit around for an hour or two (or even be without a car for a few days) while you get it fixed.
How much do you value your time? $5/hour? $50/hour?
When you factor THAT in – then having a worry-free effortless new car can easily be worth the cost of swapping it out every 3 years.
Source: Steve Baker
Top 20 Comments:
1- Or buy a 3 year old Japanese (or nowadays a Korean would do) car, having let someone else take the bulk of the depreciation, and run it on a shoestring for the next 15 years, when it’s more likely the driver will clap out before the car does.
2- Everyone says this but when I tried to do it I couldn’t find one. It seemed like the only people selling 2–3 year old cars were rental agencies. Is it worth the risk of buying a former rental? I didn’t but it could be totally fine I guess.
3- Rental companies sell their cars early so they don’t have to maintain them very well. The people who rent them also don’t drive them gently – because they don’t care. So buying a rental car seems like a bad idea.
4-
Seems to me there are some significant things you have ignored or just plain got wrong. You say it’s only $94/month difference between 3 year ownership and 20 year ownership but doesn’t your calculation require that you only pay $25,000 every 3 years when you replace your car? Does that mean you have to keep buying less expensive cars or did you just ignore increasing prices because it didn’t fit with your conclusion?
What about other costs which would be less with an older car, for example insurance and excise taxes, if applicable where you live. Also depending on where you live there may be significant sales tax due every time you buy a new car
I don’t expect your analysis to be perfect or all encompassing but I think you have substantially understated the cost differential of owning a car for 3 years vs 20 years
5- The model is simplified. In the real world, most of those variables are unknowns with a heap of “it depends”. Car prices and maintenance/parts are both impacted by inflation, but that effect can be completely dominated by supply/demand issues specific to the item in question, e.g. they stop making a specific part, your particular vehicle increases in popularity; or the old car has lower insurance, but new car has better gas mileage, etc.
6-Yeah – you can NEVER know for sure. My simplified model makes it easier to discuss and think about the consequences of depreciation versus maintenance. In reality, you need to check how the car you’re buying depreciates – and what it costs to maintain. Once you know that – you can run through the same thought processes that I did and deduce what is right in your situation.
A HUGE part of this is how many miles you drive – depreciation is a mix of mileage and age.
7- I don’t understand why all the maintenance is needed. I ran a Toyota Prius till it was 14 years old and I spent around £350 a year on maintenance including servicing. I’ve just bought a 3 year old Honda Jazz that I fully expect to run for another 10 years at similar yearly costs. Drive it gently and keep under the speed limit.
8- That graph comes from a statistical analysis of what an average car needs. There are always going to be a few people who do better than that – and a few that do a hell of a lot worse.
So your anecdotal one-off proves nothing.
9- Looks like the maintenance costs are too inflated for older cars. If one needs to put in 10000 dollars in maintenance a year, it is time to let this car go. But I’ve see enough examples when cars were running for 10 years or more with just basic maintenance, not needing a new transmission or any major repairs. Good strategy could be to buy a 2–5 year old car for a fraction of a new car cost, and then run it into ground.
10- I drive Toyota Corollas. Exclusively. The one I have now is a 2017 and it cost me $17,000. Had 11,000 miles on it when I got it. Paid off in 18 months. Almost nothing to maintain except oil changes, new brakes, and one set of tires so far. Goal is to get 300,000 miles out of her like I did the previous ones. I will drive it until the wheels fall off. Or the air conditioning breaks. I do live in the South.
11- Very well thought out. I came to the conclusion that I am in the switch out every 3 year category now. The peace of mind of always having a warranty is worth it if you can afford it in my humble opinion.
12- One major point to add. The hot-potato risk of a major service issue can greatly accelerate the crusher date, and those last 10 years can be a toss up, fix or crush.
13-
I think your maintenance figures are too high. But, using your own figures exactly:
Buy at 5 years, keep another 15: ((10000+(10300-2100))/15 = $1213/year
Buy at 10 years, keep another 10: (4500+(10300-5150))/10 = $965/year
Buy at 15 years, keep another 5: (2000+(10300-8800))/5 = $700/year
I bought my previous car here in NZ, a 1997 Subaru Outback, in 2012 for US$2.5k, and sold it in 2019 for $600 (22 yr old). There was very little maintenance. I replaced the head gaskets in the same year I got it (planned). $2k? At some point the AC started leaking and it took a couple of refills to find and fix the leaks (first refill with a dye included, so the leaks could be seen before the 2nd refill). No biggie. $500 total? In 2018 something seized in the brakes on one wheel and started dragging. Again, a couple hundred bucks to fix. Aside from that, just regular servicing.
My current car is a 2008 Outback, bought in May 2020 for US$6k with 54,000 miles. So far the only unscheduled thing is a $15 A/C control relay. Beautiful car. Limited 2000 unit production Subaru 50th anniversary model. 265 HP STI turbo engine (0–60 in 5 seconds), “Touring” cabin spec, modern safety features such as dynamic cruise control, pre-collision braking, lane departure warning (in 2008!). Going to keep this thing a long long time. 富士重工業株式会社 ニュースリリース | ニュースリリース | 株式会社SUBARU(スバル)
14-I enjoy your answers Steve:)
The only exception to that I’ve experienced is buying a used electric vehicle. I purchased a very low mile (13k) 3 year old EV lease return and have had zero maintenance on it except for tires. I spent 9k on it still have it. It was paid off early because of the savings and I could probably get around 5k for it at 10y/o. Of course whoever has to replace the battery would get that cost so it might break even using your calculations. I plan to run it into the ground including using it as a storage battery for my off grid solar.
15- My wife and I are leasing a vehicle at the moment. It’s probably the best decision we’ve made regarding transportation. We drive a new car for three years, the dealer pays for all major maintenance while we only pay for oil changes and when the time is up, we give it back and get a new one. We pay one fixed monthly price for a reliable, safe and more fuel efficient vehicle. This actually costs us less than when we drove a used vehicle that would break down randomly throughout the year and would require expensive repairs, not to mention days without a vehicle. Still, people try to tell me how I’m a sucker because I went to the dealership. But the dollars don’t lie: I save far more money doing it this way. Unless of course I am going to steal all of my new vehicles. That would be a lot cheaper, until I was caught at least!
16- I like answers like this with real figures. They give sense of scale and change so nice one!
Side note is RVs or motorhomes, as called in UK, have weirder curve. As highly customized from new much steeper curve over first 3 years. Then long time flat up to 15 years. Then kind of afterlife up to 25 years.
Why excited about Tesla Truck, if ever happens. With RV conversion could last forever.
17- For me it is also stressful to spend time looking for a new car. Trying different models, find a good deal, compromising on this and that. Some people like this part, but I don’t.
So for me the optimum is to get rid of it before the stress occasionally bad news from the mechanics.
Ans: Find one brand/type that you like and stick to it. I owned 7 MINI Coopers in a row. The only decision each time was what color do I want this time?
I’ve now switched to Tesla as my go-to-brand – but I’ll do the same. However, the depreciation curve for Tesla’s is much more gentle – and they need almost no maintenance – and will likely last for 500,000 miles, not 200,000. So I won’t be replacing them every 3 or so years. Probably every 5? We’ll see. Right now, my 3 year old Tesla is worth $2,000 MORE than I paid for it…and is indistinguishable from a brand new Tesla. So there’s no way I’m replacing it right now.
18- In my experience, it’s only worthwhile for people to keep their cars until they have paid off the financing – assuming you haven’t done something stupid like financed over 72-84 months. If you need to do that to keep the payments down, you couldn’t afford the car in the first place.
Beyond that, it only makes sense to keep old vehicles if you are able to repair them yourself. In my case, since I do 90% of the post-warranty repair work on cars I own, I buy vehicles intending to keep them until they disintegrate into a pile of brown powder out there in the yard. My current vehicles are 7, 20, 22, and 23 years old. In the past 3 years I’ve sold off other cars I owned that were 21 and 18 years old.
19-
Interesting analysis, but I think that your data on depreciation is too dramatic.
None suffer 50% depreciation after only 5 years, and in fact some hardly suffer 20% after 5 years. Certainly, 15% per year is too much.
Her current vehicle is a Ram Big Horn with an A/C system that has a slow leak they cannot seem to fix and a bizarre wind noise that is also elusive. It’s under warranty, but constant trips to the dealership are a constant hassle. All while my 2007 Silverado Classic just rolls right along without any problems.
20- Beautiful analysis. Very insightful thank you. So one question? If the vehicle/truck is used to create dinero, then these stats obviously go out the window correct? Not trying to take away your analysis which is great. Just thought I would add this little wrench in the engine…no pun intended:-)
What car would be the optimal balance between affordability, speed, exoticness and parts availability?
A VW Golf would be cheap and parts would be readily available, but it would hardly be exotic or particularly fast.
Conversely, something like, say, a Lamborghini Diablo SV would undoubtedly be fast and exotic, but running the thing and replacing parts would be horribly costly and difficult.
What car ticks a balanced box between all these?
Consensus is:
– if in the US, a C4-C7 Corvette, preferably a Z06 or ZR1
Engines are cheap and easy to modify, can pull around 1 g on the skid pad depending on setup, dirt cheap on the used market.
– If in Europe, a 996 or 997 Porsche 911.
A mid 2000s Porsche. (996)
They’re reliable, relatively cheap meaning you could buy 3-4 entire fully running models for less than 10k each, and use them for parts, they’re exotic and have a more timeless appearance than most cars from that time. As for speed, they can go top to 177 mph!
At what miles does a car start to wear and break down?
- Toyota, Lexus, Daihatsu, Honda, Subaru, Suzuki, Volvo: 300,000
- Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Lincoln, VW, Skoda, Seat, Mazda, Mini: 250,000
- Ford, Buick, Chrysler, Dodge, Land Rover: 200,000
- Opel, Chevrolet, Peugeot, Citroen, Dacia, Smart: 150,000
- Renault, Fiat, Lada: 100,000 – on a good da, though I know of many examples of people throwing in the towel with one of these only a few weeks old.
Source: Here
While the mechanics of fancy vehicles like Mercedes, BMW, Lincoln may be designed to last longer than most, the fatal flaw is that the electronics are buggers and will make the car useless long before the cylinders give up the ghost.
Caveat:
All those makes with proper maintenance will go much longer if you
- Change coolant every 5 years or less
- Change oil religiously with an excellent synthetic oil at proper intervals, and use OEM filters
- Service automatic transmissions at 50k miles
- Change differential and transfer case oils at 100k
- Check hoses belts and replace if necessary at 100k miles
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- NCAA President Charlie Baker calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletesby /u/UsernameNumberThree on December 5, 2023 at 4:12 pm
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- Deion Sanders says CU Buffs plan to be in next year's playoffby /u/GiganticRector on December 5, 2023 at 3:47 pm
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- Fan dies after emergency during Pels-Kings gameby /u/itsmrben on December 5, 2023 at 3:23 pm
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- Source: Lawrence sprained ankle, per initial testsby /u/PrincessBananas85 on December 5, 2023 at 1:46 pm
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- Arch Manning 'Perfectly Happy' With Texas Longhorns, Not Expected to Enter NCAA Transfer Portalby /u/Oldtimer_2 on December 5, 2023 at 3:23 am
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- International hockey to mandate neck guardsby /u/PrincessBananas85 on December 5, 2023 at 2:00 am
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- Daniels, Harrison, Nix, Penix to vie for Heismanby /u/Oldtimer_2 on December 5, 2023 at 1:45 am
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- Florida State wins 2023 DI women's soccer championship 5-1 over Stanfordby /u/hamm0ck on December 5, 2023 at 1:24 am
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- Jets' Robert Saleh: QB Zach Wilson 'wants the ball' but I'm not ready to name starter for Week 14by /u/Oldtimer_2 on December 4, 2023 at 11:33 pm
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- Lawyer Gloria Allred to rep girl's family in Giddey caseby /u/PrincessBananas85 on December 4, 2023 at 10:16 pm
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- College football stars Kyle McCord, Dillon Gabriel enter transfer portalby /u/Oldtimer_2 on December 4, 2023 at 9:03 pm
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- Ex-Colts LB Shaquille Leonard signs one-year deal with Eaglesby /u/Oldtimer_2 on December 4, 2023 at 8:51 pm
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Reddit Science This community is a place to share and discuss new scientific research. Read about the latest advances in astronomy, biology, medicine, physics, social science, and more. Find and submit new publications and popular science coverage of current research.
- Study mapped ketamine’s effects on the brains of mice, and found that repeated use over extended periods of time leads to widespread structural changes in the brain’s dopamine systemby /u/giuliomagnifico on December 5, 2023 at 5:40 pm
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- Brains of newborns aren't underdeveloped compared to other primates, finds new studyby /u/Upbeat-Interaction13 on December 5, 2023 at 5:10 pm
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- 2 decades of air quality gains in western U.S. wiped out by wildfires. Black carbon concentrations have risen 55% on an annual basis, mostly due to the wildfires. The fires have also caused an increase of 670 premature deaths per year in the region in the two-decade span.by /u/Wagamaga on December 5, 2023 at 4:59 pm
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- Preschoolers categorize people according to body shape rather than raceby /u/miso25 on December 5, 2023 at 3:25 pm
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- Researchers have created an eco-friendly alternative insulating material for buildings using recycled newspaper and rice huskby /u/giuliomagnifico on December 5, 2023 at 3:21 pm
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- Results of puberty suppression in 12-15 year olds with gender dysphoria: "the majority of participants experience no reliable change in distress across all time points. Between 15% and 34% reliably deteriorate and between 9% and 29% reliably improve"by /u/make_reddit_great on December 5, 2023 at 12:18 pm
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- 3D printing gets a boost: New study provides insights into solute transport and solidification mechanisms in additive manufacturingby /u/Gari_305 on December 5, 2023 at 12:16 pm
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- Recent study pinpoints Trump’s role in surge of negativity in U.S. political discourse | A comprehensive analysis of millions of quotes from politicians over 12 years, using advanced linguistic tools to assess the escalation of negative language.by /u/chrisdh79 on December 5, 2023 at 12:07 pm
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- A study of 118 observational studies, based upon around a million patients with a wide range of cancers, finds that taking a daily low-dose (75 or 81 mg/day) of aspirin was associated with a 20% reduction in deaths from cancer and in deaths from all causesby /u/giuliomagnifico on December 5, 2023 at 12:05 pm
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- Researchers develop a blood test to identify individuals at risk of developing Parkinson’s diseaseby /u/giuliomagnifico on December 5, 2023 at 11:20 am
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- Human behavior guided by fast subsecond changes in dopamine levels, finds a new study that measured intracranial dopamine levels in the human brain while participants played a computer game during deep brain stimulation surgery.by /u/mvea on December 5, 2023 at 10:31 am
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- Stimulating nerves connected to the pancreas regenerates insulin-producing cells - a new study found that stimulating autonomic vagal nerves connected to the pancreas can improve the function and also increase the number of pancreatic β-cells in mice.by /u/mvea on December 5, 2023 at 10:25 am
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- Adversity accelerates epigenetic aging in children with developmental delays, but positive parenting can reverse course and lead to lower levels of accelerated biological aging.by /u/mvea on December 5, 2023 at 10:20 am
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- Marine life turned off by swimming in plastic chemicals. Research found once the animals were exposed to a chemical, they would break apart from their mate and take much longer -in some cases days - to repair, and sometimes not at all.by /u/Wagamaga on December 5, 2023 at 10:15 am
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- New theory seeks to unite Einstein’s gravity with quantum mechanicsby /u/Rear-gunner on December 5, 2023 at 7:04 am
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- Elevated levels of fine particulate matter (PM 2.5) are linked to increased cardiovascular disease (CVD) mortality rates. Additionally, the association between PM 2.5 concentration and CVD mortality is stronger in rural areas compared to urban areasby /u/Helen_127 on December 5, 2023 at 2:00 am
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- Health-related quality of life is linked to the gut microbiome in kidney transplant recipientsby /u/viomelifesciences on December 5, 2023 at 12:19 am
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- Climate change may push some mammals to shrink by as much as 21% by 2100, as warmer temperatures favor animals with smaller bodies that can more easily shed heat, according to a new study.by /u/JonathanLambertTM on December 4, 2023 at 8:09 pm
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- New research provides evidence that heightened variability in sleep patterns, rather than just average sleep duration, is significantly associated with cognitive impairment in older adults.by /u/chrisdh79 on December 4, 2023 at 7:52 pm
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- Eternal sunshine of the aging mind. Our minds wander less as we age and, when older adults do let their minds drift, they’re more likely to be distracted by pleasant thoughts rather than worries.by /u/Wagamaga on December 4, 2023 at 4:18 pm
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Health Health, a science-based community to discuss health news and the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic
- Targeted Cancer Drugs Finally Live Up to the Hypeby /u/bloombergopinion on December 5, 2023 at 4:53 pm
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- Reproductive startup launches test to identify an embryo’s genetic defects before an IVF pregnancy beginsby /u/cnbc_official on December 5, 2023 at 3:49 pm
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- The free version of ChatGPT may provide false answers to questions about drugs, new study findsby /u/Sariel007 on December 5, 2023 at 3:23 pm
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- The free version of ChatGPT may provide false answers to questions about drugs, new study findsby /u/Sariel007 on December 5, 2023 at 3:23 pm
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- Eating disorder hospitalizations among boys increased 416 per cent over 17 years: Canadian studyby /u/CTVNEWS on December 5, 2023 at 1:13 pm
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- Patients expected Profemur artificial hips to last. Then they snapped in half.by /u/CBSnews on December 5, 2023 at 12:42 pm
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- Experts unlink Ohio's White Lung Syndrome and China's child pneumoniaby /u/intengineering on December 5, 2023 at 10:53 am
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- Black Americans expect to face racism in the doctor's office, survey findsby /u/Maxcactus on December 5, 2023 at 10:40 am
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- 'Walking pneumonia' epidemics reported in parts of Europe. What is it?by /u/euronews-english on December 5, 2023 at 10:37 am
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- Catholic Church-run hospitals take down crucifixes to prevent attacks on staffby /u/davster39 on December 4, 2023 at 11:33 pm
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- Las Vegas hospitals discharge patients to homless shelters, unregulated facilitiesby /u/jms1225 on December 4, 2023 at 5:30 pm
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- Wasabi, beloved on sushi, linked to "really substantial" boost in memory, Japanese study findsby /u/CBSnews on December 4, 2023 at 5:17 pm
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- 'Find a way to make this happen': Phoenix planned homeless shelter on land contaminated for decadesby /u/jms1225 on December 4, 2023 at 4:04 pm
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- Promotional techniques on junk food packaging are a problem for children's health – Australia could do betterby /u/Randomlynumbered on December 3, 2023 at 5:41 pm
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- Why elderly men have the highest rates of suicidesby /u/zsreport on December 3, 2023 at 5:00 pm
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- Severe outbreak tied to cantaloupe sickens 117 in 34 states; half hospitalizedby /u/Sariel007 on December 3, 2023 at 3:49 pm
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- Cold weather: What does an unheated room do to your body? - BBC Newsby /u/chilladipa on December 3, 2023 at 3:15 pm
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- Mass General-Developed Brain Care Score (BCS) is a Scientifically Validated Way to Assess Current Health Habits and Risk to Future Brain Healthby /u/thinkB4WeSpeak on December 3, 2023 at 7:02 am
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- Some doctors are ditching the scale, saying focusing on weight drives misdiagnosesby /u/Sariel007 on December 2, 2023 at 3:42 pm
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- Lifestyle choices that could lower the risk of all cancersby /u/idc2011 on December 2, 2023 at 1:08 pm
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Today I Learned (TIL) You learn something new every day; what did you learn today? Submit interesting and specific facts about something that you just found out here.
- TIL, whales can make a poonado up to 100 feet wide to hide themselvesby /u/bu11fr0g on December 5, 2023 at 5:35 pm
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- TIL that in every U.S. state, whoever presses the button on the slot machine wins the wager, which is why in 2017, a man who had his female friend push the slot machine button for good luck did not win anything but she won $100,000.by /u/Forward-Answer-4407 on December 5, 2023 at 5:00 pm
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- TIL that despite being commonly ranked as one of the worst Christmas films ever made, the 1985 film “Santa Claus: The Movie” is immensely popular in the UK. One of the film actors, John Lithgow, said in 2019 that he wishes he had a nickel for every Englishman who’s told him it's their favorite film.by /u/waitingforthesun92 on December 5, 2023 at 4:24 pm
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- TIL of the ultra rare second-generation hybrid offspring of ligers and tigons — the litigon, liliger, tiliger and titigon.by /u/syntactyx on December 5, 2023 at 3:54 pm
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- TIL that only 1 in 10 American adults are eating enough fruits and vegetablesby /u/Stauce52 on December 5, 2023 at 1:29 pm
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- TIL People with B blood type tend to be resistant to most Norovirus strainsby /u/Ottomatic44 on December 5, 2023 at 1:18 pm
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- TIL that long before the Covid-19 pandemic and subsequent lockdowns around the world, Mexico had a 5 day nationwide lockdown in 2009 (with nearly identical rules to those seen during the Covid lockdowns) for the H1N1 swine flu pandemic.by /u/MSchumacher47 on December 5, 2023 at 11:16 am
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- TIL that during WWII, the British MI5 used a "double cross system" to turn German spies into double agents, misleading the Germans about the D-Day invasion's location and timing, which contributed significantly to its success.by /u/App-Enthusiast on December 5, 2023 at 10:06 am
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- TIL Use of amphetamines (such as Pervitin and Benzedrine) to stay alert and active longer was pretty widely used in WWII by both sides.by /u/StoryAndAHalf on December 5, 2023 at 8:46 am
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- TIL The Burpee exercise was invented by Royal Huddleston Burpee Sr. as a fitness test while completing his Ph.D. in the 1930by /u/MrSilk13642 on December 5, 2023 at 8:17 am
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- TIL actor Henry Winkler did not actually know how to ride a motorcycle while starring on "Happy Days".by /u/SnarkySheep on December 5, 2023 at 7:38 am
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- TIL dolphins use coral mucus to treat their skin. As they are prone to skin ailment, they would rub their body against the coral before and after their sleep, like human skincare routines. The corals they prefer include bioactive metabolites that can be used for skin medication.by /u/Puzzleheaded-Tax9093 on December 5, 2023 at 6:10 am
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- TIL Malignant Hyperthermia is a deadly reaction ( temp as high as 109 f ) to general anesthesia. It's inherited and runs in families. It's the reason anesthesiologists always ask you if anyone in the family had a fatal reaction to anesthesia.by /u/Cultural_Magician105 on December 5, 2023 at 4:33 am
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- TIL that during WWII, Jewish physicist Niels Bohr was smuggled out of Denmark via Sweden to work on the Manhattan project. However, he refused to go to America unless Sweden granted asylum to Denmark’s Jews. 99% of them were saved.by /u/GetYerHandOffMyPenis on December 5, 2023 at 2:05 am
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- TIL that Lucasfilm hired YouTuber Shamook as their Senior Facial Capture Artist after Shamook dropped a deepfake video that went viral because many felt it improved the VFX used to de-age Mark Hamill in Season 2 of The Mandalorian.by /u/tyrion2024 on December 5, 2023 at 1:56 am
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- TIL that Weird Al signs contracts with artists before parodying their music, and they get paid too!by /u/Finding_Plato on December 4, 2023 at 11:26 pm
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- TIL in 2015, the US Department of Defense accidentally mailed live anthrax to several locations in different states. This happened less than year after the CDC had done the same thing.by /u/twentyturin on December 4, 2023 at 9:57 pm
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- TIL Genghis Khan’s empire would eventually become the largest contiguous land empire in history.by /u/StressCanBeHealthy on December 4, 2023 at 8:05 pm
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- TIL Whiplash was originally an 18-minute short film that received acclaim at the Sundance Film Festival, drawing investors to fund the full length film which cost $3.3 million to make and grossed $49 million at the boxoffice.by /u/SingLikeTinaTurner on December 4, 2023 at 7:24 pm
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- TIL “Vincent” by Don McLean was Tupac’s favorite song, and his girlfriend played it as he was dying so it would be the last thing he heardby /u/KodairaLuggage on December 4, 2023 at 6:20 pm
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